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		<title>by: Susan Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-29513</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 19:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I use Thunderbird with an IMAP server and a .procmailrc file on the server to control where messages land.  I find that most Thunderbird folders do not refresh automatically and it's not tied to the .procmailrc file.  The only way I can be sure that I am seeing all my messages is by doing a message search (for whatever) and then magically I see unread messages in my folders!  I may go back to pine....

Thanks.
Susan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I use Thunderbird with an IMAP server and a .procmailrc file on the server to control where messages land.  I find that most Thunderbird folders do not refresh automatically and it&#8217;s not tied to the .procmailrc file.  The only way I can be sure that I am seeing all my messages is by doing a message search (for whatever) and then magically I see unread messages in my folders!  I may go back to pine&#8230;.</p>
	<p>Thanks.<br />
Susan
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		<title>by: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-17309</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-17309</guid>
					<description>I love Firefox and recently changed from Windows Mail to Thunderbird after I installed Vista.  Once I tweaked Thunderbird to do what I wanted, I like it better than Outlook Express.  However, it's pathetic that there's not a BCC field by default.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I love Firefox and recently changed from Windows Mail to Thunderbird after I installed Vista.  Once I tweaked Thunderbird to do what I wanted, I like it better than Outlook Express.  However, it&#8217;s pathetic that there&#8217;s not a BCC field by default.
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		<title>by: Mouseless computing &#166; PaulGlover.net</title>
		<link>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-12995</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-12995</guid>
					<description>[...] For Thunderbird, the major problem is in navigating between folders, and moving messages around. The Nostalgy extension fixes that little issue with one-key activation of move/copy/goto and selection is via a completion menu. Now I can jump to the inbox by typing gin&amp;#60;ENTER&amp;#62; no matter where I am. Moving a message into archival is just as easy. (Thunderbird extensions were found by way of Summersault. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] For Thunderbird, the major problem is in navigating between folders, and moving messages around. The Nostalgy extension fixes that little issue with one-key activation of move/copy/goto and selection is via a completion menu. Now I can jump to the inbox by typing gin&lt;ENTER&gt; no matter where I am. Moving a message into archival is just as easy. (Thunderbird extensions were found by way of Summersault. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Mark Stosberg</title>
		<link>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-11064</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 11:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-11064</guid>
					<description>Your message gave me an idea that I think improves the process for both of us.  Here's what I currently do. On my laptop, I made this tiny script called &quot;tbird_sync&quot;.  It contains just this:

&lt;code&gt;
#!/bin/sh
# resolve all conflicts in favor of the work computer, to insure it doesn't get messed up!
unison -prefer=&quot;ssh://mark@me.myhost.com//home/mark/&quot; -batch -ui=text thunderbird
&lt;/code&gt;

###

In that script &quot;thunderbird&quot; is the name of my unison profile. The &quot;prefer&quot; options means it never asks me questions and the &quot;ui=text&quot; makes it run noticeably faster than launching a GUI.

A simple modification could be made to the script so that it launched Thunderbird after the sync:

&lt;code&gt;
    unison -prefer=&quot;ssh://mark@me.myhost.com//home/mark/&quot;  \
        -batch -ui=text thunderbird &amp;#38;&amp;#38; mozilla-thunderbird
&lt;/code&gt;

Admittedly, that doesn't address the shutdown-and-then-sync case at the airport, but if you are using IMAP, the critical part-- the mail-- would already be sync unless you were working offline, which adds it's own complication in any case.

I suppose I probably lose minor preference changes sometimes because I forget to sync once, and then later the difference is always resolved in favor of the work computer. In practice, this has just never been a problem. IMAP handles keeping the critical e-mail data in sync.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Your message gave me an idea that I think improves the process for both of us.  Here&#8217;s what I currently do. On my laptop, I made this tiny script called &#8220;tbird_sync&#8221;.  It contains just this:</p>
	<p><code><br />
#!/bin/sh<br />
# resolve all conflicts in favor of the work computer, to insure it doesn't get messed up!<br />
unison -prefer="ssh://mark@me.myhost.com//home/mark/" -batch -ui=text thunderbird<br />
</code></p>
	<p>###</p>
	<p>In that script &#8220;thunderbird&#8221; is the name of my unison profile. The &#8220;prefer&#8221; options means it never asks me questions and the &#8220;ui=text&#8221; makes it run noticeably faster than launching a GUI.</p>
	<p>A simple modification could be made to the script so that it launched Thunderbird after the sync:</p>
	<p><code><br />
    unison -prefer="ssh://mark@me.myhost.com//home/mark/"  \<br />
        -batch -ui=text thunderbird &amp;&amp; mozilla-thunderbird<br />
</code></p>
	<p>Admittedly, that doesn&#8217;t address the shutdown-and-then-sync case at the airport, but if you are using IMAP, the critical part&#8211; the mail&#8211; would already be sync unless you were working offline, which adds it&#8217;s own complication in any case.</p>
	<p>I suppose I probably lose minor preference changes sometimes because I forget to sync once, and then later the difference is always resolved in favor of the work computer. In practice, this has just never been a problem. IMAP handles keeping the critical e-mail data in sync.
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		<title>by: Fred Dominic</title>
		<link>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-10782</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-10782</guid>
					<description>Thanks to all for the tips. 

I use thunderbird, but I read email from multiple computers (work, home, and several laptops). I can set up thunderbird and imap so that, as Mark mentions above, it is possible to have all of my mail syncronized, but it does not syncronize any of the address book, RSS feed information, preferences, extensions, and (most importantly), the learned spam filter settings. Basically, I need a solution like 'unison', but I don't want to have to deal with manually synchronizing each time I end a session (if I'm at an airport and need to quickly shutdown, which happens often for example).

Has anyone found a solution for this? I've found a number of potentially relevant links and I'd be interested to find out if anyone has tried them. These include:

 1) http://kb.mozillazine.org/Synchronizing_mail_on_two_computers_%28Thunderbird%29
     mentions a link that mentions 'FolderShare', a program to automatically syncronize
     folders over the network. It sounds like it does what 'unison' does, but it
     doesn't require manual synchronization.

    Has anyone tried FolderShare for thunderbird? How well does it work?
  
  2) http://wiki.mozilla.org/Talk:Thunderbird:2.0_Product_Planning
     It is acked by the mozilla thunderbird team, but I'm not sure if it will make it into 2.0
     (it doesn't say).

thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks to all for the tips. </p>
	<p>I use thunderbird, but I read email from multiple computers (work, home, and several laptops). I can set up thunderbird and imap so that, as Mark mentions above, it is possible to have all of my mail syncronized, but it does not syncronize any of the address book, RSS feed information, preferences, extensions, and (most importantly), the learned spam filter settings. Basically, I need a solution like &#8216;unison&#8217;, but I don&#8217;t want to have to deal with manually synchronizing each time I end a session (if I&#8217;m at an airport and need to quickly shutdown, which happens often for example).</p>
	<p>Has anyone found a solution for this? I&#8217;ve found a number of potentially relevant links and I&#8217;d be interested to find out if anyone has tried them. These include:</p>
	<p> 1) <a href='http://kb.mozillazine.org/Synchronizing_mail_on_two_computers_%28Thunderbird%29' rel='nofollow'>http://kb.mozillazine.org/Synchronizing_mail_on_two_computers_%28Thunderbird%29</a><br />
     mentions a link that mentions &#8216;FolderShare&#8217;, a program to automatically syncronize<br />
     folders over the network. It sounds like it does what &#8216;unison&#8217; does, but it<br />
     doesn&#8217;t require manual synchronization.</p>
	<p>    Has anyone tried FolderShare for thunderbird? How well does it work?</p>
	<p>  2) <a href='http://wiki.mozilla.org/Talk:Thunderbird:2.0_Product_Planning' rel='nofollow'>http://wiki.mozilla.org/Talk:Thunderbird:2.0_Product_Planning</a><br />
     It is acked by the mozilla thunderbird team, but I&#8217;m not sure if it will make it into 2.0<br />
     (it doesn&#8217;t say).</p>
	<p>thanks!
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		<title>by: Kristie T&#8217;s Home Business Blog &#187; Forget Outlook, Now there&#8217;s Thunderbird</title>
		<link>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-9945</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-9945</guid>
					<description>[...] Here is a great article on 5 Power Tips for Thunderbird which I learned about via mention on Andy Wibbel&amp;#8217;s blog. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[&#8230;] Here is a great article on 5 Power Tips for Thunderbird which I learned about via mention on Andy Wibbel&#8217;s blog. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Brian Hopkins</title>
		<link>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-5206</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-5206</guid>
					<description>Mark,

Well you certainly hit the nail on the head. The mail &quot;server&quot; that comes with OS X does not support shared folders. At all. No wonder I've been pulling my hair out. As I mentioned earlier I simply activated the native IMAP server functions using Cutedge Systems excellent MailServe program. I've emailed them for support but I imagine I'll need to upgrade the entire OS to OS X Server in order to properly implement our requirements.

Thank you kindly for your expert help and advice! It is greatly appreciated.

Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mark,</p>
	<p>Well you certainly hit the nail on the head. The mail &#8220;server&#8221; that comes with OS X does not support shared folders. At all. No wonder I&#8217;ve been pulling my hair out. As I mentioned earlier I simply activated the native IMAP server functions using Cutedge Systems excellent MailServe program. I&#8217;ve emailed them for support but I imagine I&#8217;ll need to upgrade the entire OS to OS X Server in order to properly implement our requirements.</p>
	<p>Thank you kindly for your expert help and advice! It is greatly appreciated.</p>
	<p>Brian
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		<title>by: Brian Hopkins</title>
		<link>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-5095</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-5095</guid>
					<description>Mark,

Thanks very much for the link. I'll pursue that avenue next week. A few high(er) priority items came up the past couple of days. However, to support your theory, I noticed this message (occurring frequently) in the log:

imapd[9999] Killed (lost mailbox lock) user=xxx host=xxx

This may well point to a sharing problem!

I changed the &quot;Connection Cache&quot; value from 5 to 1 so that the user could click another folder and thereby force an update to the server. This has once again only worked &quot;so-so&quot;.

I'll submit another comment once I pursue the shared folders idea.

Till then ...

Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mark,</p>
	<p>Thanks very much for the link. I&#8217;ll pursue that avenue next week. A few high(er) priority items came up the past couple of days. However, to support your theory, I noticed this message (occurring frequently) in the log:</p>
	<p>imapd[9999] Killed (lost mailbox lock) user=xxx host=xxx</p>
	<p>This may well point to a sharing problem!</p>
	<p>I changed the &#8220;Connection Cache&#8221; value from 5 to 1 so that the user could click another folder and thereby force an update to the server. This has once again only worked &#8220;so-so&#8221;.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ll submit another comment once I pursue the shared folders idea.</p>
	<p>Till then &#8230;</p>
	<p>Brian
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		<title>by: Mark Stosberg</title>
		<link>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-5076</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-5076</guid>
					<description>Brian,

It also struck me that a formal request tracking system might be a good solution the department we work with. It's what we use for our small team here:
http://www.bestpractical.com/rt

It some ways, it works like a glorified shared e-mail system here. However, it allows to you add custom fields that e-mail doesn't have, like classifying each request with a type such as &quot;Sales Inquiry&quot; or &quot;Product Return&quot;. 

E-mail is still a central part of the application. Requests can come in that way, and reps can respond by e-mail.

  Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Brian,</p>
	<p>It also struck me that a formal request tracking system might be a good solution the department we work with. It&#8217;s what we use for our small team here:<br />
<a href='http://www.bestpractical.com/rt' rel='nofollow'>http://www.bestpractical.com/rt</a></p>
	<p>It some ways, it works like a glorified shared e-mail system here. However, it allows to you add custom fields that e-mail doesn&#8217;t have, like classifying each request with a type such as &#8220;Sales Inquiry&#8221; or &#8220;Product Return&#8221;. </p>
	<p>E-mail is still a central part of the application. Requests can come in that way, and reps can respond by e-mail.</p>
	<p>  Mark
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		<title>by: Mark Stosberg</title>
		<link>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-5035</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.summersault.com/community/weblog/2006/07/20/five-power-tips-for-thunderbird.html#comment-5035</guid>
					<description>Brian,

It does look like Mac OS X uses Cyrus. And it also looks like there are recommended special steps to implement &quot;shared folders&quot; with it. That documentation is here:
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mimap/chapter/ch09.html#91630

This continues to seem like a worthwhile avenue to pursue.

   Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Brian,</p>
	<p>It does look like Mac OS X uses Cyrus. And it also looks like there are recommended special steps to implement &#8220;shared folders&#8221; with it. That documentation is here:<br />
<a href='http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mimap/chapter/ch09.html#91630' rel='nofollow'>http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mimap/chapter/ch09.html#91630</a></p>
	<p>This continues to seem like a worthwhile avenue to pursue.</p>
	<p>   Mark
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